A Couple of Stupid Fucks - Episode 27

What were we wrong about this week?  So, so much!  I’m pretty sure I missed some, but there were lots of little claims we made that were just as wrong as could be.  Let’s begin!

1.  What is the name of the actor that plays Jaime Lannister?

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau

2.  Is Nikolaj from Denmark (like Hamlet?)

Yes!  He is, as his name and this magazine cover reveal, a Euroman.

3.  Okay, so we talked about the movie Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy, which is a great flick!  Highly recommended!

Regardless of how how highly I recommended it, however, we got nearly everything we said about it wrong!  The novel is written by John le Carre, not Ken Follett.  This is John le Carre:

This is Ken Follett:

They’re slightly different.  Ken Follett is famous for writing spy novels, such as the one we mentioned in the episode:  Eye of the Needle.

We… well, I was wrong about so much!  I got it so wrong that even Ken Follett is disappointed in me.

4.  Has Gary Oldman won an Oscar?

No!  Which is a crime of epic proportions  He’s only been nominated once, which was for Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.  How he wasn’t nominated before is a mystery.  He’s been nominated once in thirty years, Jennifer Lawrence has been nominated 3 times in four years.  WTF?

5.  Is Ralph Fiennes from England or France?

He’s from England, thus making the pronunciation of his name all the more flummoxing.

6.  The Protean Farce

Okay…so… I used the word “protean” without 100% knowing what the word meant.  Then Adam talked about the mutant Proteus without 100% knowing what happened to the character.  The Greek God Proteus was thrown in there eventually too, because what’s a complete breakdown of all our credibility without a reference to Greek mythology?

So what does “protean” really mean?  Did Proteus kill himself or get killed by a metal-clad mutant?  Well…

protean - readily assuming different forms of characters; extremely variable

This meaning is taken from the Greek god of the sea, who was a shape-shifter.  I was using it in a sense more fitting to Draconian, i.e. something or someone extremely harsh.

Adam was both 100% wrong and 100% right.  Proteus was killed by Colossus… and Proteus did commit suicide.  He was killed by Colossus first, then a few years later his dispersed energy was brought back together but it was unstable and he chose to dissolve again.

Turtles All the Way Down

The latest episode referenced the enduring and oft-referenced metaphor of infinite regression.  It is an extension of actual myths from China and India, as well as North American Northeastern Woodlands cultures such as the Lenape and Iroquois.

Usually remembered from the climactic expression, “It’s turtles all the way down!” the anecdote is often presented as a dialogue between a scientist and person of faith.  I first encountered it probably in the essay “Thick Description:  Towards an Interpretive Theory of Culture" by Clifford Geertz. 

In Geertz’s account, the protagonist are an Englishman and an Indian:

But I may also have heard it from Stephen Hawking’s A Brief History of Time.  Hawking told it as follows:

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: “What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise.” The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, “What is the tortoise standing on?” “You’re very clever, young man, very clever,” said the old lady. “But it’s tortoises all the way down!”

Those are the only two sources that I have read myself, but it has popped up in numerous places over the years:

1974 - Collection of Essays - Broca’s Brain by Carl Sagan

1967 - Linguistics Dissertation - Constraints on Variables in Syntax
by J.R. “Haj” Ross

1905 - Oliver Corwin Sabin - Bishop of the Evangelical Christian Science Church

1854 - Story told by Bible skeptic Joseph Barker about a rival who was a preacher

As well as in other forms:

1882 - Essay - As “rocks all the way down” in Rationality, Activity, and Faith by William James

1838 - Newspaper Submission - As “rocks all the way down” in Unwritten Philosophy

1779 - Philosophical Work - As infinite elephants, once again attributed to India, in David Hume’s Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion

Hysterical video from the methodical hh1edits.  Check out some of their other compilations:  http://www.youtube.com/user/hh1edits?feature=watch

This is the video, discussed in Episode 27, that led me to watch In the Loop

Some personal faves:

-“Take this quarter.  Go downtown and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face!” - Uncle Buck

-“I don’t like your jerkoff name, I don’t like your jerkoff face, I don’t like your jerkoff behavior, and I don’t like you- jerkoff.” - The Big Lebowski

-“You’re just the afterbirth, Eli.  You slithered out on your mother’s filth.  They should have put you in a glass jar on the mantle.” - There Will Be Blood

-“Robin wouldn’t piss on your gums if your teeth were on fire.” - Encino Man

"I bet you’re the kind of guy that would fuck a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around!" - Full Metal Jacket

Underrated British Films & Underrated Non-Disney/Pixar Animated Films

27: Underrated British Films & Underrated Non-Disney/Pixar Animated Films

In this episode the boys argue over pirates and Scottish mutants. What more do you need? Also cameras are rolling as they discuss underrated British films and underrated non-Disney/Pixar films. This episode has all the Tone-Loc you can eat! Don’t miss it, Extravaganzers! 

Shane MacGowan

We talked a little about the genius songwriter of the Pogues.  Adam’s favorite Christmas song is Fairytale of New York, but he didn’t know too much about the man singing in it.

Of course, the first thing we had to get out of the way was Shane’s legendarily bad teeth:

Which started off bad…


And never got any better…



But it’s okay, he’s made some adjustments in his life…


We also talked about his first brush with fame, as a Clash show in 1975.



Best of 2013

Best of 2013!

WE’RE NOT DEAD! On the outside anyway. The boys are FINALLY back to say kiss my grits to 2013 and ring in the new year JJPE style: with lengthy inane conversations! In this episode the boys go over their favorite movies, books, music, and other pop culture goodies from 2013! And super special list: top five favorite animals! Also teeth, porno, and a SPECIAL GUEST. Who could it be?!?!?!?!? Listen and find out! Happy New Year, Extravaganzers!